Curse

Fitz Rinley · Apr 24, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Right now I have a character who is working on Survivor and a character that is working on LDoA. It would be convenient for my Survivor character that is working on Survivor to be able to get into Vizunah Square Local Quarter in order to access the Undercity Directly at the moment. He has already finished Gyala and is mapping Echovald. I complete Zen Daijun so I can hook up with local Canthan characters and go to Vizunah Square Local Quarter. But there is no one going to V-Square Local. It is something like wanting to work on LDoA and being called upon to pay gate hookers to have access to the enemy we are supposedly both fighting.

Access to do things you are working on generally sucks. No effort is made or has been made to make that access better. Any request to make it better so people can work on improving their characters is met with - but, but, but I didn't get to do that - I, I, I paaaaiiiiiid to gehhhhtt soommme one to help. Everyone must pay. Everyone must do without.

With GW2 coming there is quickly ceasing to be any reason to buy GW 2 because we will never have any reason to quit playing GW 1. We will never have sufficient self access to finish GW 1 in time to play GW 2.

It is time to make things accessible so people can work on things for themselves without having to beg or pay others to let them in or let them tag along to get to places that they need access to for titles and character development.

Artorius.Maximus · Apr 24, 2008, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Take your survivor to Lutgardis Conservatory, either learn to HFFF or pay for it, your choice (option to do on your own).

Have your LDOA character start death leveling early (option to do on your own, just slower).

/notsigned (mostly because next request will be start characters with FoW armor and a stack or 2 of ecto)

MithranArkanere · Apr 24, 2008, 11:51 PM // 23:51

You can ALREADY get there.

You must make Zen Daijun and join a party making 'mayhem in the market'.

See the wiki for more info.

RedStar · Apr 25, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

...no, just get someone in your guild that has that quest. And why do you want to go there for survivor ???

For the one in pre-searing well it's been a long time since I've been there so I'm not going to say anything on that.

MagmaRed · Apr 25, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

Its not hard to find someone doing the quest. If you can't, try playing at different times, switching to American/European/Asian/International districts, or asking your guild/alliance for help.

/unsigned because I did it with no problems on multiple characters

Fitz Rinley · Apr 25, 2008, 04:58 AM // 04:58

I did put a call out on the guild channel, in the local channels, and was on most of the day and through the evening. I was not able to pin the location and use it conveniently. Therefore your anecdotal experiences are negated by my anecdotal experiences.

Further, I should not be forced to rely on others to do things I need and want to get done. Nor should I have to adjust my life schedule or force them to live their lives to my life schedule in order to do what I want to get done.

The only reason you oppose making things available for others is because you have already been there and done that and see no need to make allowances for those who differ from you. You have always been prejudiced in this way. All people must conform to your personal requirements and experience and no additional allowances can be made - no changes from your good ol' boys club can occur. In every respect you sound more like a parlor of men in the 1840s discussing the impertinance of lesser beings to desire opportunity (not a hand out but access without dependence upon the support and providence of others).

If anyone had paid attention I stated to gain access for convenience of using the point. The mapping in and out is easier without some of the risk of getting killed - shorter access lanes to things one is after. I have now acquired those things at this point and spent an entire evening doing so, when I might have cut travel time down considerably if I had been able to get access. (And btw the only person who appeared to have the quest was a twit who could be bothered to quit *Leroy*ing long enough to stand up straight. Then he mapped when one player had a mandatory floor meeting for a few minutes for military/college - showing a complete lack of maturity.)

There remains no acceptable independant access to the Northlands in Pre ofcourse. Which means approximately 8 years of death leveling in order to get LDoA out by Barradin's Estate. Those who insist that players must pay gate hookers or beg for access remain immoral.

MagmaRed · Apr 25, 2008, 09:00 AM // 09:00

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

The only reason you oppose making things available for others is because you have already been there and done that and see no need to make allowances for those who differ from you. You have always been prejudiced in this way. All people must conform to your personal requirements and experience and no additional allowances can be made

Glad you know how to assume.

The quest is a PRIMARY quest. This means to complete the game, people will ALWAYS be doing it. Not all people play an online MULTIPLAYER game alone, so guess what, people look for others to do things with. Many people who own Factions do not own Nightfall or GW:EN. This means they have no heroes, and struggle with the hench. Those same people, as well as the ones who have heroes, usually look for people to help them.

Play a single player, off-line game if you can't find people to play with, and don't want to take time to do it. I oppose your ideas because they can be done, are done, and should be done different than the way you want to do them.

Fitz Rinley · Apr 25, 2008, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Glad you know how to assume.

The quest is a PRIMARY quest. This means to complete the game, people will ALWAYS be doing it. Not all people play an online MULTIPLAYER game alone, so guess what, people look for others to do things with.

Glad you know how to assume.

The majority of the time (99.9%) people are not doing anything I need to do. I frequently end up doing things I do not need to do. As in the case above, the person who had the floor meeting was back shortly. I kept vigil for them when the ONLY person going to V-Square local mapped out and disappeared but was still there. Then I helped him cap the nec boss he was after in the Undercity. He was not impressed with OoA, so I pulled up my Nec and helped him cap the Flesh Golem. Then I gave him a half dozen builds that have gotten my Nec through all three games and the expansion - with my blood build being my best semi-secret weapon. But clearly I was only assisting an AI. The college student could not have been real.

And yes, the set up in Pre remains immoral as do those who support it.

Sjeng · Apr 25, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56

wow a fight! *grabs popcorn.*

zamial · Apr 25, 2008, 01:43 PM // 13:43

/not signed

This thread is full of fail. Red smells it.

I have 5k on RED.

Fitz Rinley · Apr 25, 2008, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Certain people are just terrified of individuals being able to function independent of their life control. Hence they must enforce and denounce all measures that would promote the ability of other players to play without being under their thumb. We are fighting the same thing where I live and members of city council are terrified that people will be able to lawfully support their own families with their own resources. (Mind you I said lawfully - half the board members have stated they do not care if people do so illegally as long as it remains illegal.) It is the intent to maintain this kind of control which certain persons share with my city's administration - afterall this way you can insure you are superior forever, if you deny others the opportunities to be independent and function according to who and what they are (instead of who and what you are).

Tyla · Apr 25, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57

Sometimes I just have to laugh at some of these.
I love Sardelac!

And Fitz, stop comparing Guild Wars to real life, you don't necesarily NEED Local Quarter or vice versa at all.

snaek · Apr 25, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

I did put a call out on the guild channel, in the local channels, and was on most of the day and through the evening. I was not able to pin the location and use it conveniently. Therefore your anecdotal experiences are negated by my anecdotal experiences.

Further, I should not be forced to rely on others to do things I need and want to get done. Nor should I have to adjust my life schedule or force them to live their lives to my life schedule in order to do what I want to get done.

The only reason you oppose making things available for others is because you have already been there and done that and see no need to make allowances for those who differ from you. You have always been prejudiced in this way. All people must conform to your personal requirements and experience and no additional allowances can be made - no changes from your good ol' boys club can occur. In every respect you sound more like a parlor of men in the 1840s discussing the impertinance of lesser beings to desire opportunity (not a hand out but access without dependence upon the support and providence of others).

If anyone had paid attention I stated to gain access for convenience of using the point. The mapping in and out is easier without some of the risk of getting killed - shorter access lanes to things one is after. I have now acquired those things at this point and spent an entire evening doing so, when I might have cut travel time down considerably if I had been able to get access. (And btw the only person who appeared to have the quest was a twit who could be bothered to quit *Leroy*ing long enough to stand up straight. Then he mapped when one player had a mandatory floor meeting for a few minutes for military/college - showing a complete lack of maturity.)

There remains no acceptable independant access to the Northlands in Pre ofcourse. Which means approximately 8 years of death leveling in order to get LDoA out by Barradin's Estate. Those who insist that players must pay gate hookers or beg for access remain immoral.

the same argument can be used against u really...
it really doesnt support u one bit

i.e. we're all playin teh same game
its unfair to those that have done it teh so-called "hard-way"
and ur aksin for an "easy-way"

unless ur disadvantaged or have a disability,
ur on equal playin fields as everyone else
sure some ppl get luky and some ppl get unluky....but thats life

...and gw is a game
so really, dun take it so seriously

and remember....titles arent everything
heck...they're barely sumptin anymore -___-'

this reminds me of when they gave teh option to donate double lux/kurz pts for ur faction titles...
it pissed everyone who did it at 1:1 ratios
but that was really needed as it stiiill takes very long to do...

and anyways
survivor can be obtained in less than 20hrs...
half of that if ur pro

and ldoa really...
was invented because ppl glitched pre-searing
anet got teh idea for this title from glitchers
so if u take out the glitch and made it easy access....
it defeats teh whole purpose of teh title

Lycan Nibbler · Apr 25, 2008, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Wow... just wow...../ not signed

MagmaRed · Apr 25, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

Certain people are just terrified of individuals being able to function independent of their life control. Hence they must enforce and denounce all measures that would promote the ability of other players to play without being under their thumb. We are fighting the same thing where I live and members of city council are terrified that people will be able to lawfully support their own families with their own resources. (Mind you I said lawfully - half the board members have stated they do not care if people do so illegally as long as it remains illegal.) It is the intent to maintain this kind of control which certain persons share with my city's administration - afterall this way you can insure you are superior forever, if you deny others the opportunities to be independent and function according to who and what they are (instead of who and what you are).

Fitz Rinley · Apr 27, 2008, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by snaek

the same argument can be used against u really...
it really doesnt support u one bit

Actually, it can't.

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i.e. we're all playin teh same game. Its unfair to those that have done it teh so-called "hard-way" and ur aksin for an "easy-way"

It does not make it easier to do simply because you do not have to pay hookers to get there. That they were too lazy and irresolute to try and make things better for themselves and others does not impress me as a reason for them to bitch about changes for the better which others insist upon.

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unless ur disadvantaged or have a disability, ur on equal playin fields as everyone else sure some ppl get luky and some ppl get unluky....but thats life

Irrelevant, but yes I am disabled.

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...and gw is a game - so really, dun take it so seriously

Ethics do not change whether one is in or out of a game.

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and remember....titles arent everything heck...they're barely sumptin anymore -___-'

Titles are at this point the primary function of the game. Titles are the only point for transition to GW 2 - the only nexus forward, the only goal which all actions are to result in. They are exactly everything.

[QUOTE]and anyways, survivor can be obtained in less than 20hrs...half of that if ur pro[QUOTE]I have a survivor character. He is capping for both titles. Someplace about 60% toward Rank 3 at this point. Having access to areas when they would make it convenient to function in the game for moving around - especially when you are normally not going to gain access in regular story line but have beaten the game and are past the storyline, would be considerate. Though it is not expected.

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and ldoa really...was invented because ppl glitched pre-searing. anet got teh idea for this title from glitchers. so if u take out the glitch and made it easy access....it defeats teh whole purpose of teh title

The person who started the DLing in Pre hated post and returned to Pre. Then bitched because there was not enough to do. After this they stayed in Pre and incredulously miraculously just happened to leave their game up while a wild friendly moa just happened to accidently go berzerk and turn red and kill him repeatedly to mid-teen levels and he discovered a way to get pasted 16th level in Pre. Uh-huh - you can tell I buy that story. So, ANet decided to reward the spite of those that decided said screw you we will do what we want anyway - and instead of nerfing the ability and preventing it forever they gave it a title and nerfed it.

Then people who were not spiteful said, wait that is a really cool title and they added it back. What they did not do is add it back with any development or meaning that is befitting the name on the title. Instead they added it back, left it inaccessible unless you DL for about 8 years outside Barradin's Estate or pay unscrupulous gate hookers exhorbitant amounts of gold to get in to pancake the Charr. One shouldn't be paying anything. One shouldn't be charging the police or our soldiers 50 bucks before letting them go on patrol to serve and protect. Those working on the title still have to do the same amount of work, but while alone and with the title track active they should be able to enter the Northlands without assist.

There is and remains and will never be any ethical reason to oppose this change.

MagmaRed · Apr 27, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

Then people who were not spiteful said, wait that is a really cool title and they added it back. What they did not do is add it back with any development or meaning that is befitting the name on the title. Instead they added it back, left it inaccessible unless you DL for about 8 years outside Barradin's Estate or pay unscrupulous gate hookers exhorbitant amounts of gold to get in to pancake the Charr. One shouldn't be paying anything. One shouldn't be charging the police or our soldiers 50 bucks before letting them go on patrol to serve and protect. Those working on the title still have to do the same amount of work, but while alone and with the title track active they should be able to enter the Northlands without assist.

There is and remains and will never be any ethical reason to oppose this change.

Fitz. Stop. Comparing. Real. Life. To. A. Game.

If you want to compare yourself to the police/soldiers, then why are you dying on purpose?

You do not have to pay gate monkeys to enter the North Lands.

Learn what reality is. Learn what fantasy is. Learn what intelligence is.

The title was made because people wanted it. If you want it, then you do what everyone else has to do. If you can't/won't do that, then you don't want the title.

Do I need to post more cats?

Fitz Rinley · May 04, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

MagmaRed,

I am quite aware of what real intelligent is. It is, and only is, Essential Elements of Information regurgitated for those who have no accreditation to sanctify as meaningful. It has no required relationship with with analytical ability or truth. Intelligence is not relative to reality it is relative only to those who write the test to determine whether or not you are a brick fit for their wall.

I also know what reality is. Being is being! Existence is! Existence is One, which may not be exceeded - only divided. Nothing unreal exists. That is reality.

Fantasy is the acceptible lie or untruth. It goes into a place that never was and returns having expressed the human condition. When that untruth promotes the real lie, that which opposes right - then it must itself be opposed. The real lie is that where in the unethical triumphs over the ethical. It is forever the obligation of the just to oppose the real lie which promotes unethical behavior and therefor promotes the failure of right.

You cannot separate the human condition from the acceptable lie or from the lived reality. While engrossed upon the acceptable lie, one lives. What liberties you take while engrossed upon the acceptable lie you will also take while living outside of it. Who and what you are does not change because you sit down to a keyboard. There is no separation between the art and the way one lives. There is no separation between the moral character of one who is working or and when they are playing. The remain the same.

I remain a soldier, an orator, a son of light, and a defender of what is right - with or without your support. I shall not waiver. I shall not retreat. I shall not cease.

Access to the Northlands to allow players to work on title without having to demean themselves with begging and co-dependancy, without having to pony up to some gate-hooker, and to allow for development of the title after they are on the title track is in support of what is right. The opposed is not in support of what is right.

Savio · May 04, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

This is the suggestion forum, not the meaningless deranged psychobabble forum. If you are unwilling to accept the fact that people may disagree with you, the forum is not the place for you. Closed.